Hot Topic #1 -

Let’s start with everyone’s favorite, gay marriage. Both my good friend Art and my arch enemy, the hypocritically and suspiciously bigoted Dan C., agree that Prop 8 will fail. But will it? According to the LA Times, the numbers don’t break down quite that simply. And both bloggers fail to recognize that the 1% advantage each side is claiming puts them in a statistical dead heat. Despite this, Dan goes so far as to call the failure of Prop 8 a certainty.

Gay Marriage By The Numbers (LA Times/KTLA Poll):

This means that 58% of the electorate is either already on-board with same-sex marriage or at least not opposed to it. That’s a good plurality to work with, but the campaign for equality needs to hurry and capitalize on the recent state Supreme Court decision making the practice legal by helping to marry as many couples as quickly as possible between now and November. They need to come out strong on radio and television and of course on the blogs and show people that gay couples are not as unlike hetero couples as they might otherwise believe.

Of course, many will remember that this is the topic that provided my break into the blogosphere. Many will also remember that I don’t like the concept or the word ‘marriage’ or the way it manages to tie religion to government, and I still feel that civil unions should be separate, equal, and with the terminology available to both gay and hetero couples.

However, I also feel that this referendum could permanently slam the door on fully recognized gay unions of any kind and is tantamount to enshrining bigotry into the state Constitution. For that reason, I am endorsing a ‘No’ vote on Prop 8 with the caveat that I’d still prefer to be ‘joined’ rather than ‘married’ and that I would likely vote against a measure directly legalizing gay marriage as opposed to strengthening civil union laws.

More than half of Californians said gay relationships were not morally wrong, that they would not degrade heterosexual marriages and that all that mattered was that a relationship be loving and committed, regardless of gender. -LA Times

Hot Topic #2 -

Dan C. also considers it a certainty that Barack Obama will be elected President. I was already convinced of it as well a little while back, but now I have to agree that McCain is really behind the curve. To wit: another LA Times article (some good reporting this week I guess) headlined ‘Iraq Prime Minister Maliki embraces Obama withdrawl plan.’ The plan is a 16-month phased withdrawal in which some troops would be diverted back to Afghanistan to finish off the Taliban once and for all… and it couldn’t come soon enough as General Petraeus is reporting that Al Qaeda, while not giving up in Iraq, is shifting its focus back there as well, according to Fox News. Forget any reports that question the validity of Maliki’s statements; the New York Times has been provided with an audiotape of the interview by German magazine ‘Der Spiegel.’

So now that Bush and McSame are still convinced that their surge strategy is working in Iraq is the perfect time for Maliki to make his desires for his country known. Remember, Bush’s mission was to install a Democracy. I hate to give him any credit, but he finally accomplished his mission, violence aside. Now that government is asking us to leave, however ambivalently. It’s sort of like when children become adults. Even if their lives are chaotic, sometimes it’s just time to let them learn from their own mistakes. Besides, we’re only leaving the street, not the neighborhood.

Since McCain could not articulate an answer to the question of whether or not Viagra should be covered by health insurance while birth control is not, I can only imagine the stutterfest that will occur when he needs to answer this criticism!


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16 Responses to ‘Semi-Weakly’ Review – July 21, 2008

  1. avatar Larry Gilbert says:

    SMS. You may not like my comment but Prop 8 will pass getting over 50 percent of the vote.

  2. avatar Larry Gilbert says:

    SMS. Wait a minute.
    Look at the above poll categories.
    Where is “somewhat disapprove” ??????????
    Are we entering another “spin” machine?

  3. avatar Vern Nelson says:

    Brother Larry. I am waiting impatiently for your first POST on this measure. Wasn’t this gonna be your Prop. 98 for this season?

    You’re right though, I do think SMS copied over a couple numbers wrong. There should be 10% somewhat disapprove, which does seem bad news for the side of liberty and equality. I’m still sure we’ll win by November.

    I was surprised SMS didn’t link to any of my stories in the second half of her semi-weakly-review, as I’ve been writing tirelessly about those same things the last few days. I would have linked to her! :-(

  4. avatar SAHS Teacher says:

    Sarah, I’m completely smitten. Well you legally join me?

  5. avatar HBtchr says:

    #3 I hope your comment “win by November”meant defeat Prop 8

  6. avatar Larry Gilbert says:

    I have a major problem when activist Judges overturn the will of the people. In this case over 4 1/2 million CA voters approved Prop 22 only to see it thrown out by the courts. Let me remind you of three famous words from 66 years ago. When General Douglas Mac Arthur left Corregidor he stated “I shall return.” And so too will those of us who supported Prop 22 in 2000.

    State of California March 7, 2000 Election

    Proposition 22
    Limit on Marriages

    Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute
    4,579,386 / 61.2% Yes votes …… 2,897,689 / 38.8% No votes

  7. avatar Vern Nelson says:

    We have a Constitutional Republic, Larry, I think you actually know that. These (Republican-appointed) judges found the separate-but-equal systme of “domestic partnerships” unconstitutional. After much careful study of the California Constitution. And the decision would have been unanimous if not for some procedural thing, I forget, about returning the whole thing to the voters or not.

    But I know my friend Phobius will be agreeing with you.

  8. avatar Vern Nelson says:

    #3 I hope your comment “win by November”meant defeat Prop 8

    Yes of course. I think gay marriage is groovy, and have a standing offer to play (piano/organ) for free at any gay weddings between now and November. But my gay friends are just not tying the knot for some reason!

    I also think marriage is silly. But if some of us can do it, all of us should be able to.

    Plus I like that it drives the righties crazy for some reason. Plus they think it will get more Republicans to the polling places like it did in the dark past, but I’m betting that won’t work this time!

    Of course my friend Phobius will beg to disagree with me…

  9. avatar Larry Gilbert says:

    You bet I have an opinion on the outcome of Prop 8 but you will simply need to wait as we get closer to when it really matters. Stay tuned!

  10. Vern -

    Sorry I didn’t link to you, but this article was inspired by Nouri al-Maliki, not Barack Obama, so I wasn’t in that frame of mind. I’ll try to remember you next time.

    Larry -

    You lost the 98/99 debate. I hope you’re absolutely certain you want another go ’round with me! ;) You can dispute my numbers all you like but they come from the LA Times/KTLA poll, not the top of my head.

    Activist judges? Only when conservatives disagree I guess. Nobody was complaining (including me) when the federal Supremes finally interpreted the 2nd Amendment. Why does everyone always insist the judicial branch is less important than the other two when they disagree with its actions? It’s called ‘checks and balances’ people.


  11. avatar Larry Gilbert says:

    Prop 98/99 has zero to do with this latest issue.
    As to the poll all I did was look at the categories in your post where you list “strongly” or “somewhat” in only three choices. What became of the missing option “somewhat disapprove” was all I referred to in my above comment.
    At times the “supremes” do get it right. Just ask Al Gore 2000. Yes, you see we can agree. In that case they got it right.

  12. Larry -

    Prop 98 has nothing to do with Prop 8, with the exception that you’re on the wrong side of both. :P

    I don’t know what happened to ‘somewhat disapprove,’ but my gut feeling is that those ambivalent about the issue lean against Prop 8. Either way, I’ve added the category to ‘undecided.’


  13. avatar Vern Nelson says:

    Once again – even though I don’t like these numbers – the LA Times / KTLA poll you linked to actually says:

    Stongly approve 29%
    Somewhat approve 12%
    Somehwat disapprove 10%
    Strongly disapprove 42%

    This is dispiriting to those of us who value equality, but the question was on approving of gay marriage, not on whether the state should make it illegal; plus equality-minded people will be out in droves for Obama that day; ornery anti-gay Republicans, not so much.

    Anyway that’s the numbers, that’s my spin, and I’m stickin’ with it.

  14. Vern -

    The miniature version of this poll was incomplete. I added the entire thing instead. I completely agree with you. This thing could go either way.


  15. avatar Art Pedroza says:


    Yes it could. It will lose though because CA Dems will turn out big in November. The Reeps will have a hard time getting excited about McCan’t. Many will stay home instead.

  16. avatar Joe says:

    I think that the U.S. has no right to aband GayMarriage. And if the U.S. did, then some of the people will still be gay. You know? I am gay and i support Gaymarriages. I like to date men more than women. Women uses men for money and other stuff too. Even Mothers teaches they`re daughters how to use men for money and other stuff too. So why this? Why do the U.S have to start this now? I think they should aband Male and Female`s marriages anyway. Do you know that some Women don`t want to date men because of they`re heights? That means that they`re mothers are telling they`re daughters how to date tall men. The U.S. has to have better understanding about why is it okay to be gay. Please allow Gaymarriages in the U.S.

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